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nancee park
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Theme song for Silentlambs movement...?
by TheApostleAK inhiding, in the shade,.
hiding, in the shade,.
hiding, in the shade,.
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JW's and mental illness...stats?
by mikepence indoes anyone know of any actual studies or published statistics about jw's and mental illness?.
thanks,.
mike pence
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nancee park
Larc is dead wrong, Bergman correct. 20% of the general population may have mental problems of some sort but here we're talking about it being so serious their is a need to lock them away. That percentage is lower than the 20%, maybe 5% which would mean, if so, that up to 20% of JWs have extremely serious mental problems that may require institutionalization. Get your facts straight, Larky.
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JW's tried to cheat state in Norway
by Aaac injw's tried to cheat money of the norvegian government.
they told the authorities that they have more members than they actually do.
eventually, they got nothing.
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nancee park
Yes, Francois. This occurs in many countries. Governements help out groups, religious or not, that are deemed charitable but naturally want to make sure it is going to a bona fide cause. The WTS is too secretive; maybe embarrassed too because auditing would show their membership is in severe decline in Norway.
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URGENT WORLDWIDE HELP FOR SILENTLAMBS
by Nowfree inhelp is needed from everybody worldwide to assist in a mail distribution in support of silentlambs.
please email
or anglise .
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nancee park
Perfect and sounds easy enough!!!!!!! I will be back in touch with you from another email later.
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URGENT WORLDWIDE HELP FOR SILENTLAMBS
by Nowfree inhelp is needed from everybody worldwide to assist in a mail distribution in support of silentlambs.
please email
or anglise .
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nancee park
Don't email that address as I forgot the password!
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URGENT WORLDWIDE HELP FOR SILENTLAMBS
by Nowfree inhelp is needed from everybody worldwide to assist in a mail distribution in support of silentlambs.
please email
or anglise .
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nancee park
You'd get a better response if you'd explain better. For example are you talking about a 1 hour a day, 1 hour every day or a 20 hours a week time commitment. The vagueness is why you are not getting a bigger response. I realize maybe you cannot divulge lots of details, understandable, but at least tell some kind of ball park estimate for the the time commitment.
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URGENT WORLDWIDE HELP FOR SILENTLAMBS
by Nowfree inhelp is needed from everybody worldwide to assist in a mail distribution in support of silentlambs.
please email
or anglise .
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Local jw youths 'dropping like flies'
by jack2 inthe local count of disfellowshipings and reproofs, just from what i personally have heard, in recent months - 7 df'd , 2 public reproofs.
and this is just from what i have heard.
all involve persons around age 21 and younger.. .
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nancee park
Too, what does the WTS do for the teens and children?
For that matter what does it do to serve the very elderly?
It tells everybody that they as "individuals" can do nice things like hold a get-together for the youth or go by and mow the yard of someone in their 90s, but it itself does zilch.
Of course the UN affiliation and pedophile coverups scandals also cause the youth to quit.
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Demons
by disneycuty ini have a question: as you all know jehovah's witnesses view crystal ball, physics, as demonized or anything that is not suppose to be in the house like tarot cards.
and jehovah's witness believe that the demons would bother them if they do these activities or have them in the house.
do you still believe that or do you think it is the society's way of mind control over their members?
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nancee park
When JW elders find out you have non-Watchtower literature they themselves sometimes begin harassing you. Any odd, strange, weird happenings that ensue are logically not from demon spirit beings but from the elders directly or indirectly. Reports of "demons, demonization" and the like have alluded to voice, noise and physical manifestations that can much better explained by remote control activation of sound and voice transmitters, wiretapping and the like by men fearful of losing power, or in congregations hiding pedophilia and other dark secrets, of going to prison. Bethelites and exBethelites have sometimes reported seeing a picture or holographic projection of a "demon" man. This sort of conduct is typical of cults.
Most JWs are not subjected to such harassment but since Henschel took office it has been reported much more frequently. Those who mention it to other JWs are immediately suspected by them of being mentally diseased or apostates, therefore instantly discredited. It is good if you encounter this yourself to buy one of those small sound-activated casette recorders that record only when there is noise of some sort and search for any of the small devices.
The actual devices can vary in appearance. Sometimes they are obvious pieces of plastic, other times more like a piece of brown leaf or fibrous like hair, and are totally innocuous except that somewhere within is a very very tiny FM transmitter type device. If you turn the items in to the police they may also think you are nuts and may not have the necessary patience to explore them to ascertain that inside such mundane seeming things are actual miniature transmitters.
You may thus be thought a mental case except that you can point to posts such as I am making here to indicate that this has precedent. What may be helpful is to search for the micro-devices, some as tiny as one-sixteenth inch square, on bedding or in carpet, near door entrance, TV, radio or occasionally on lawn or in car by hand or more quickly vacuum the area. A further difficulty is that even if authorities find that there is a noise making component in one of these tiny devices, it is still hard for them, you or anyone to definitely establish where whom the noise or even voice is transmitted, which can sometimes be miles away.
Even more common, though, is wiretapping which has been done by lawbreakers using hook-switch by-pass. This is where you get a call, the person says little or nothing then you hang up. But while they had you on line they threw a switch which caused the line connection to continue even after you hung up. Thus, even while your phone is down on the holding unit the wire is still live and transmitting whatever is said near it back to the listener. Beyond this, they also have recourse to infinity mikes and the like.
Obviously such criminally used devices have to be placed in your house or apartment as when elders or their pals come to visit or enter uninvited when you are gone. Thus check that windows and doors are locked or barricaded. Use the anonymity of the internet to post an account of such violations of personal privacy. I suspect in time enough people will do so and even email to fbi.org etc that authorities will take such allegations seriously. After all, what they do to private citizens can also be done to public officials including other those in other countries.
Right now most JWs and exJWs scorn, deride and thus re-victimize victims of such privacy invasions just as formerly most did regarding those who had been sexually assaulted by JW elders and ministerial servants. Only by your speaking up and being made fun of though will the pattern eventually be seen and determined credible. This discussion board makes anonymity and speaking out relatively easy, though again expect ridicule.
The JW apologists who profess to be and indeed may be exJWs will sometimes write "it's kooks like you who give us real apostates a bad name," or "I'm a fourth generation JW and never heard of such a thing." Take heart, though, for they did the same with pedophile victims too, and time will tell. It is true too that even as high up as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses not all elders know about the "darker side" or policing activities of the Watchtower Society.
For example Ray Franz has written of elders spying from behind bushes on a JWs house until he snuck up behind them and took a picture of them, using camcording exJWs observing the memorial at a private apartment in Greece etc. Also Ray Franz found out that down in the basement permanent files of Judicial Committee records and the like are kept on JWs and exJWs even long after they have died. Local elders are to destroy such records locally, although they do not always do so, but the Watchtower Society itself keeps permanent copies.
So Ray had not known of these things until he stumbled across them and logically other Governing Body members also did not and now also do not know of those things. So even at the top rungs of the ladder all things are not told. Too bad for some Governing Body members and rank-and-filers would be upset and demand the darkness cease if they did know about it.
These days the Watchtower Society top-down is on their highest ever "it's the Last Days!" or "Armageddon is upon us!!" alert. There are fanatics in any organization that has money and fears losing it along with face and power, and being a billion dollars category organization the Watchtower Society is no exception.
Such insane activities by fanatics are often accompanied by words or expressions like "Yeah, that's Jehovah's holy spirit in action!", "the congregation is being cleansed, refined, sifted, disciplining," "the CO and DO selected the congregation as a Host Congregation" as in not just hosting as in hospitality but as in "Jehovah of Hosts or Armies," or "it was an instance as with Saul of Jehovah's evil spirit coming into play."
Let us do all we can to continue battling against the tyranny of those who criminally help pedophiles and seek to persecute those victims and their family members or friends who are courageous enough to speak up. And let us also expose their efforts to criminally discredit their critics. Our voices are strong and will get stronger and heard all the better despite such violations of ethics.
To Ted Jarasch, Milt Henschel and the rest, are you listening?
Edited by - nancee park on 3 August 2002 16:6:36
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It is IMPOSSIBLE to Abstain from Blood
by professor init is impossible to abstain from blood and live!
the watchtower society's unusual interpretation of abstaining from blood to include human blood transfusion has several major flaws.
we can't abstain from blood.
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nancee park
Also note, I Samuel 14:32-4 says Saul's whole army ate unBLED meat to not starve to death and they were not killed by Jehovah for doing what normally would, outside of emergencies, have incurred the death penalty. Similarly in Matthew 12 Christ pointed out David and his men ate temple holy bread to stay alive but were forgiven due to this being a life-and-death situation; at verse 7 Christ says "God wants mercy not sacrifice." Jehovah has arranged that most normal identical twins transfuse blood back and forth to each other's shared placenta. So Jehovah Himself is kind and reasonable and those who bring reproach on His name by having people including children bleed to death will be judged by Him.